We really have lost our minds.
American Healthcare continues to go backward
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Breaking News: Saying the CDC has become “a political tool,” California, Oregon and Washington announced plans to form an alliance that would coordinate vaccine recommendations for the three states.
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Breaking News: Saying the CDC has become “a political tool,” California, Oregon and Washington announced plans to form an alliance that would coordinate vaccine recommendations for the three states.
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Marshall
Host: There are new calls this morning for RFK Jr.'s resignation, and those calls coming from inside HHS itself. More than 1,000 current and former HHS workers are making this demand in a letter released this morning. They say his leadership has "put the health of all Americans at risk"
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Host: There are new calls this morning for RFK Jr.'s resignation, and those calls coming from inside HHS itself. More than 1,000 current and former HHS workers are making this demand in a letter released this morning. They say his leadership has "put the health of all Americans at risk"
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Stillwater Townie
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If vaccines don't get anywhere near this negative controversy in other major countries, that should tell you something.
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Marshall
The health insurance companies that generally pay for our vaccines could potentially stop covering them for patients because health authorities here no longer recommend them as medically necessary.' Listen to Reuters World News for more on the potential impact of Kennedy Jr's autism data project https://reut.rs/4g2Dy4U
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Marshall
You mean all things available on the Internet that Trump could have sourced himself
In response to a call from President Donald Trump to make the positive impact of Covid-19 vaccines public, drug giant Pfizer posted a collection of more than 200 press releases and statements and 27 peer-reviewed data publications since early 2020. https://cnn.it/4lU0gxp
In response to a call from President Donald Trump to make the positive impact of Covid-19 vaccines public, drug giant Pfizer posted a collection of more than 200 press releases and statements and 27 peer-reviewed data publications since early 2020. https://cnn.it/4lU0gxp
From WSJ.com:
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: We’re Restoring Public Trust in the CDC
The agency’s Covid failures stem from politicized science, bureaucratic inertia and mission creep.
By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Sept. 2, 2025 12:01 pm ET
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was once the world’s most trusted guardian of public health. Its mission—protecting Americans from infectious disease—was clear and noble. But over the decades, bureaucratic inertia, politicized science and mission creep have corroded that purpose and squandered public trust.
That dysfunction produced irrational policy during Covid: cloth masks on toddlers, arbitrary 6-foot distancing, boosters for healthy children, prolonged school closings, economy-crushing lockdowns, and the suppression of low-cost therapeutics in favor of experimental and ineffective drugs. The toll was devastating. America is home to 4.2% of the world’s population but suffered 19% of Covid deaths.
(Rx notes: People completely misunderstand the purpose of masks. They aren't to prevent you from contracting disease, but to keep you from spreading disease. Toddlers during the pandemic had mild disease, not much different from a cold. The masks were to try to keep toddlers from becoming a reservoir that spread disease to the more vulnerable. The 6-foot distancing was never arbitrary. It's based on the distance respiratory droplets travel. That is simply the way vaccines/boosters work. We give them to otherwise healthy people to keep them from becoming sick. The school closings were necessary, although the "prolonged" part is debatable. Otherwise the schools become a reservoir from which the virus spreads to those more vulnerable. There has never been a single clinical trial that has shown ivermectin or hydroxychloroquin to be effective antiviral agents. The "economy crushing lockdown" was based on experience with the Spanish flu. During the Spanish flu over 675,000 people died during the pandemic. About 1.2 million people died from covid which would have been much worse had we done nothing. It was much more virulent than the Spanish flu. Double that number of deaths and you crush the economy to the point where we might never recover.
This failure was no anomaly. For years the CDC has presided over rising chronic disease—a true modern pandemic—and, since 2014, declining life expectancy. Trust has collapsed: Only one-third of health care workers participated in the 2023-24 fall Covid booster program, and fewer than 10% of children under 12 received boosters in 2024-25. The American people no longer believe the CDC has their best interests at heart.
(Rx notes: He does not understand chronic disease or the term "pandemic".)
President Trump has asked me to restore that trust and return the CDC to its core mission.
(Rx notes: Instead of "restoring trust" he is deepening mistrust by pandering to conspiracy theories and misinformation.)
The CDC began in 1946 as the Communicable Disease Center, tasked with eradicating malaria. Within a year it expanded to all communicable diseases and provided hands-on support to state health departments. In 1951 it founded the Epidemic Intelligence Service—the “disease detectives” who became America’s first line of defense against outbreaks.
In 1992 the agency adopted its current name. Unlike agencies created by statute, however, the CDC has grown piecemeal, its mission shaped by appropriations, administrative priorities and special interests. Over the years it mutated from a readiness-and-response force into a sprawling bureaucracy dabbling in nearly every health issue, often duplicating work already done by other agencies of the Health and Human Services Department.
Today, only half of the CDC’s budget supports its infectious-disease mission. Fewer than 1 in 10 employees are epidemiologists. That drift explains much of the agency’s disastrous pandemic response. The Biden administration’s restructuring failed to solve the problem. It made a priority of health equity while ignoring the central issue: The CDC has strayed from its core mission.
We have shown what a focused CDC can achieve. When measles flared this year in Texas, we brought vaccines, therapeutics and resources to the epicenter. The outbreak ended quickly, proving the CDC can act swiftly with precision when guided by science and freed from ideology. That response was neither “pro-vax” nor “antivax.” It wasn’t distracted by “equity outcomes” or politically correct language like “pregnant people.” It was effective. And effectiveness—not politics—will be the watchword of our leadership.
The CDC also now operates in 63 countries, monitoring biothreats before they reach our shores. Its Biothreat Radar Detection System—an advanced early-detection tool—can spot pathogens like H5N1 or MERS early enough to prevent catastrophe.
We know chronic disease made Covid especially lethal in America. Infectious and chronic illness are linked. Tools meant to fight disease—vaccines, antibiotics, therapeutics—can save lives but also trigger adverse events in some patients. That truth must no longer be ignored. While most chronic-disease programs will migrate to the new Administration for a Healthy America, the CDC will bring transparency and research to this critical connection.
The path forward is clear: Restore the CDC’s focus on infectious disease, invest in innovation, and rebuild trust through integrity and transparency. To achieve this, the CDC will focus on six priorities:
• Protect from threats. Detect and defeat infectious diseases through enhanced respiratory-disease surveillance and a Biothreat Radar powered by cutting-edge molecular tools.
• Build infrastructure. Strengthen global and domestic systems to predict, track and respond to dangerous exposures and outbreaks.
• Modernize systems. Upgrade data, laboratories and epidemiology to meet 21st-century threats.
• Invest in workforce. Rebuild the proud tradition of disease detectives, training epidemiologists at home and abroad.
• Enhance scientific rigor. Apply gold-standard science to every recommendation, ensuring America leads the world in safe, effective vaccines and trusted guidance.
• Empower states and communities. Return to the original mission of supporting state and local health departments on the front lines of outbreaks.
We have already taken steps to eliminate conflicts of interest and bureaucratic complacency. We have shaken up the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. We have replaced leaders who resisted reform. The American people elected President Trump—not entrenched bureaucrats—to set health policy. That is the MAHA commitment—make America healthy again—in action. Most CDC rank-and-file staff are honest public servants. Under this renewed mission, they can do their jobs as scientists without bowing to politics. The agency will again become the world authority on infectious-disease policy.
First, the CDC must restore public trust—and that restoration has begun. It won’t stop until America’s public-health institutions again serve the people with transparency, honesty and integrity.
Mr. Kennedy is secretary of health and human services.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: We’re Restoring Public Trust in the CDC
The agency’s Covid failures stem from politicized science, bureaucratic inertia and mission creep.
By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Sept. 2, 2025 12:01 pm ET
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was once the world’s most trusted guardian of public health. Its mission—protecting Americans from infectious disease—was clear and noble. But over the decades, bureaucratic inertia, politicized science and mission creep have corroded that purpose and squandered public trust.
That dysfunction produced irrational policy during Covid: cloth masks on toddlers, arbitrary 6-foot distancing, boosters for healthy children, prolonged school closings, economy-crushing lockdowns, and the suppression of low-cost therapeutics in favor of experimental and ineffective drugs. The toll was devastating. America is home to 4.2% of the world’s population but suffered 19% of Covid deaths.
(Rx notes: People completely misunderstand the purpose of masks. They aren't to prevent you from contracting disease, but to keep you from spreading disease. Toddlers during the pandemic had mild disease, not much different from a cold. The masks were to try to keep toddlers from becoming a reservoir that spread disease to the more vulnerable. The 6-foot distancing was never arbitrary. It's based on the distance respiratory droplets travel. That is simply the way vaccines/boosters work. We give them to otherwise healthy people to keep them from becoming sick. The school closings were necessary, although the "prolonged" part is debatable. Otherwise the schools become a reservoir from which the virus spreads to those more vulnerable. There has never been a single clinical trial that has shown ivermectin or hydroxychloroquin to be effective antiviral agents. The "economy crushing lockdown" was based on experience with the Spanish flu. During the Spanish flu over 675,000 people died during the pandemic. About 1.2 million people died from covid which would have been much worse had we done nothing. It was much more virulent than the Spanish flu. Double that number of deaths and you crush the economy to the point where we might never recover.
This failure was no anomaly. For years the CDC has presided over rising chronic disease—a true modern pandemic—and, since 2014, declining life expectancy. Trust has collapsed: Only one-third of health care workers participated in the 2023-24 fall Covid booster program, and fewer than 10% of children under 12 received boosters in 2024-25. The American people no longer believe the CDC has their best interests at heart.
(Rx notes: He does not understand chronic disease or the term "pandemic".)
President Trump has asked me to restore that trust and return the CDC to its core mission.
(Rx notes: Instead of "restoring trust" he is deepening mistrust by pandering to conspiracy theories and misinformation.)
The CDC began in 1946 as the Communicable Disease Center, tasked with eradicating malaria. Within a year it expanded to all communicable diseases and provided hands-on support to state health departments. In 1951 it founded the Epidemic Intelligence Service—the “disease detectives” who became America’s first line of defense against outbreaks.
In 1992 the agency adopted its current name. Unlike agencies created by statute, however, the CDC has grown piecemeal, its mission shaped by appropriations, administrative priorities and special interests. Over the years it mutated from a readiness-and-response force into a sprawling bureaucracy dabbling in nearly every health issue, often duplicating work already done by other agencies of the Health and Human Services Department.
Today, only half of the CDC’s budget supports its infectious-disease mission. Fewer than 1 in 10 employees are epidemiologists. That drift explains much of the agency’s disastrous pandemic response. The Biden administration’s restructuring failed to solve the problem. It made a priority of health equity while ignoring the central issue: The CDC has strayed from its core mission.
We have shown what a focused CDC can achieve. When measles flared this year in Texas, we brought vaccines, therapeutics and resources to the epicenter. The outbreak ended quickly, proving the CDC can act swiftly with precision when guided by science and freed from ideology. That response was neither “pro-vax” nor “antivax.” It wasn’t distracted by “equity outcomes” or politically correct language like “pregnant people.” It was effective. And effectiveness—not politics—will be the watchword of our leadership.
The CDC also now operates in 63 countries, monitoring biothreats before they reach our shores. Its Biothreat Radar Detection System—an advanced early-detection tool—can spot pathogens like H5N1 or MERS early enough to prevent catastrophe.
We know chronic disease made Covid especially lethal in America. Infectious and chronic illness are linked. Tools meant to fight disease—vaccines, antibiotics, therapeutics—can save lives but also trigger adverse events in some patients. That truth must no longer be ignored. While most chronic-disease programs will migrate to the new Administration for a Healthy America, the CDC will bring transparency and research to this critical connection.
The path forward is clear: Restore the CDC’s focus on infectious disease, invest in innovation, and rebuild trust through integrity and transparency. To achieve this, the CDC will focus on six priorities:
• Protect from threats. Detect and defeat infectious diseases through enhanced respiratory-disease surveillance and a Biothreat Radar powered by cutting-edge molecular tools.
• Build infrastructure. Strengthen global and domestic systems to predict, track and respond to dangerous exposures and outbreaks.
• Modernize systems. Upgrade data, laboratories and epidemiology to meet 21st-century threats.
• Invest in workforce. Rebuild the proud tradition of disease detectives, training epidemiologists at home and abroad.
• Enhance scientific rigor. Apply gold-standard science to every recommendation, ensuring America leads the world in safe, effective vaccines and trusted guidance.
• Empower states and communities. Return to the original mission of supporting state and local health departments on the front lines of outbreaks.
We have already taken steps to eliminate conflicts of interest and bureaucratic complacency. We have shaken up the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. We have replaced leaders who resisted reform. The American people elected President Trump—not entrenched bureaucrats—to set health policy. That is the MAHA commitment—make America healthy again—in action. Most CDC rank-and-file staff are honest public servants. Under this renewed mission, they can do their jobs as scientists without bowing to politics. The agency will again become the world authority on infectious-disease policy.
First, the CDC must restore public trust—and that restoration has begun. It won’t stop until America’s public-health institutions again serve the people with transparency, honesty and integrity.
Mr. Kennedy is secretary of health and human services.
If he wants to restore public trust I can think of one really good way he can do i5 personally.
Of course by public trust Im guessing hes referred to people who typically don't trust anything because they have been told all their lives that everything from the government is evil (except for the politicians telling them that).
What administration was in power and enacted all this allegedly irrational policy?
The guy in the pink tie if I remember correctly.
What administration was in power and enacted all this allegedly irrational policy?
The guy in the pink tie if I remember correctly.
I sometimes wonder how bad it could have been if Hillary was in office when all this went down. Imagine COVID only instead of Trump running for reelection his him vs her 2.0 with him griping the previous 4 years about how Obama screwed him out of winning the last time.
What administration was in power and enacted all this allegedly irrational policy?
The guy in the pink tie if I remember correctly.
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From the article:
Is Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suffering from long Covid? His memory was foggy during a Senate hearing on Thursday, in which the Health and Human Services Secretary hailed as “genius” President Trump’s Operation Warp Speed, which produced Covid vaccines in record time. Mr. Trump must have liked hearing that.
But these are the same vaccines that RFK has also called “a crime against humanity.” So which is it, Mr. Kennedy: Was Mr. Trump’s vaccine operation a triumph or a government catastrophe?
Louisiana GOP Sen. Bill Cassidy on Thursday asked the slippery Mr. Kennedy if he agreed with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla’s statement this week that Mr. Trump deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for Operation Warp Speed.
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The mistake that the anti-vaxxers make is that the covid was “developed in a hurry and rushed to market.” It wasn’t. The development of the mRNA vaccine began with SARS-CoV-1 in 2002-2003. They did not start development in 2020, they adapted a vaccine that was already available, though it was never marketed because SARS-CoV-1 died out and the vaccine was unnecessary.
The harm this administration is doing to public health will take decades to undo.
Most of the mitigation measures that the anti-vaxxers hate so much were started by the Trump administration. The only thing that Hillary/Biden/Obama might have done differently is not stoked the HCQ/ivermectin fires.
I know. We might have avoided the ivermectin stuff (I honestly dont remember how that happened anyways).
Im just thinking as much as they hated the stuff that happened on Trumps watch, what would the reaction have been if it was Hillary on camera talking about stay at home orders and stuff like that. I have no doubt that Trump would have spend the previous 4 years convincing everyone he got robbed and now that demon woman is telling everyone to stay at home when Trump is having the biggest rallies ever. Then you have George Floyd in the middle of all of it.
that could have gone from bad to worse in a hurry
Bernie Sanders went after RFK in the hearing yesterday, saying that thousands upon thousands of doctors disagree with him and what he's doing. He asked RFK who he is getting his info from. He mentioned 3 Dr's, one of which was "Dr. Oz".
We're done for
Yeah. RX was kind of a nostradamus on that one. I look at a bunch of the stuff going on and think we can come back from this. Creating a society that distrusts some of the biggest medical advancements in the past couple of centuries is going to cause long term problems. I don't want something like a polio outbreak to happen but I worry that it needs to.
Stillwater Townie
Ranger
For another thing, Kennedy's so called spasmodic dysphonia, a voice problem, was caused by smoking too much cocaine, according to what political reporter and book author Michael Wolff thinks. Working as a political reporter, he got acquainted with Kennedy during the 1970s.
There was a company in South America that had bought a bunch of ivermectin and essentially cornered the market. The put some virii in a petri dish, drowned the petri dish in ivermectin, the virii died and they said, "Ivermectin has antiviral properties!" When in reality they could have put almost anything in the petri dish in sufficient quantity and left it alone long enough and that virii would have died.
Michigan survivalists here in Northern Michigan didn't last a whole two weeks before storming the state capital, and that was while Trump was still president.
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